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		<title>Comment on If Computers Could Barf &#8211; Salesforce Debug Log by John Hart</title>
		<link>http://www.tehnrd.com/if-computers-could-barf-salesforce-debug-log/comment-page-1/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big issue for me is that I can&#039;t get the output of System.debug() statements without also getting METHOD_ENTRY/EXIT spew (as both are in the &quot;Apex Code:DEBUG&quot; level).

I think System.debug() statements should be placed into a separate Log Level than METHOD_ENTRY/EXIT.  Perhaps METHOD_ENTRY/EXIT should be moved into the &quot;Fine&quot; log level.

Note the Log Level-vs-Events issue is confused, because there isn&#039;t an Event for System.debug() statements - they show up at DEBUG, but the System Log&#039;s &quot;Events&quot; list only adds METHOD_ENTRY/EXIT when you go from &quot;INFO&quot; to &quot;DEBUG&quot;.

Also, it would be useful to break METHOD_ENTRY/EXIT into USER_METHOD_ENTRY/EXIT and SYSTEM_METHOD_ENTRY/EXIT.  The first only traces non-System methods; the second traces system methods.  They should be placed in &quot;FINE&quot; and &quot;FINER&quot; levels, respectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big issue for me is that I can&#8217;t get the output of System.debug() statements without also getting METHOD_ENTRY/EXIT spew (as both are in the &#8220;Apex Code:DEBUG&#8221; level).</p>
<p>I think System.debug() statements should be placed into a separate Log Level than METHOD_ENTRY/EXIT.  Perhaps METHOD_ENTRY/EXIT should be moved into the &#8220;Fine&#8221; log level.</p>
<p>Note the Log Level-vs-Events issue is confused, because there isn&#8217;t an Event for System.debug() statements &#8211; they show up at DEBUG, but the System Log&#8217;s &#8220;Events&#8221; list only adds METHOD_ENTRY/EXIT when you go from &#8220;INFO&#8221; to &#8220;DEBUG&#8221;.</p>
<p>Also, it would be useful to break METHOD_ENTRY/EXIT into USER_METHOD_ENTRY/EXIT and SYSTEM_METHOD_ENTRY/EXIT.  The first only traces non-System methods; the second traces system methods.  They should be placed in &#8220;FINE&#8221; and &#8220;FINER&#8221; levels, respectively.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If Computers Could Barf &#8211; Salesforce Debug Log by Gary B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-562&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Gary B &lt;/a&gt; 
OK, I take part of that back - it seems (some) method names *are* in the log, apologies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-562" rel="nofollow">@Gary B </a><br />
OK, I take part of that back &#8211; it seems (some) method names *are* in the log, apologies!</p>
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		<title>Comment on If Computers Could Barf &#8211; Salesforce Debug Log by Gary B</title>
		<link>http://www.tehnrd.com/if-computers-could-barf-salesforce-debug-log/comment-page-1/#comment-562</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-534&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Rich Unger &lt;/a&gt; 
Rich, I can understand this is laying the foundations for things to come, and I get an idea of what&#039;s coming down the line... but in the here and now, things appear to have gotten more difficult.

I&#039;m persevering as I don&#039;t want to write it off just because it&#039;s different; similarly, I&#039;m wary of making myself look an idiot because I&#039;ve yet to grok how the feature actually works. But as far as I can tell, names of custom built methods no longer appear in the log output, which is a massive thorn in my side. I&#039;m trying to investigate something in a production environment, updating code and deploying just for the sake of some debug statements is not exactly ideal for me...

And as for the &quot;makes parsing easier&quot; - are there any tools out there at the moment that can help with this with output from Spring 10?

Apologies for shooting the messenger, and I realise I&#039;m partly to blame as I didn&#039;t try it earlier and offer my feedback!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-534" rel="nofollow">@Rich Unger </a><br />
Rich, I can understand this is laying the foundations for things to come, and I get an idea of what&#8217;s coming down the line&#8230; but in the here and now, things appear to have gotten more difficult.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m persevering as I don&#8217;t want to write it off just because it&#8217;s different; similarly, I&#8217;m wary of making myself look an idiot because I&#8217;ve yet to grok how the feature actually works. But as far as I can tell, names of custom built methods no longer appear in the log output, which is a massive thorn in my side. I&#8217;m trying to investigate something in a production environment, updating code and deploying just for the sake of some debug statements is not exactly ideal for me&#8230;</p>
<p>And as for the &#8220;makes parsing easier&#8221; &#8211; are there any tools out there at the moment that can help with this with output from Spring 10?</p>
<p>Apologies for shooting the messenger, and I realise I&#8217;m partly to blame as I didn&#8217;t try it earlier and offer my feedback!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Super Cool Advanced Lookup Component by Shan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing... When I select another Value... and hit Show, the value is not being picked up...
I am basically using your component in a dynamic SOQL reporting design...
Is there a way to refresh the value or something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing&#8230; When I select another Value&#8230; and hit Show, the value is not being picked up&#8230;<br />
I am basically using your component in a dynamic SOQL reporting design&#8230;<br />
Is there a way to refresh the value or something&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Super Cool Advanced Lookup Component by Shan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi:
  Love this compenent... How would this work if you have a child object. Basically I have an object Course which has a lookup to Contact. I want to put a field out there which goes off the contact field in Course object??
Otherwise awesome...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi:<br />
  Love this compenent&#8230; How would this work if you have a child object. Basically I have an object Course which has a lookup to Contact. I want to put a field out there which goes off the contact field in Course object??<br />
Otherwise awesome&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on If Computers Could Barf &#8211; Salesforce Debug Log by Mike Eaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Eaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with you 100%.  I feel like we&#039;ve taken a giant step backwards.  Hopefully we&#039;ve hit the bottom of the barrel and can only go up from here.  Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with you 100%.  I feel like we&#8217;ve taken a giant step backwards.  Hopefully we&#8217;ve hit the bottom of the barrel and can only go up from here.  Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>Comment on If Computers Could Barf &#8211; Salesforce Debug Log by Rich Unger</title>
		<link>http://www.tehnrd.com/if-computers-could-barf-salesforce-debug-log/comment-page-1/#comment-539</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Unger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 00:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, one workaround you can use if you just want to see the System.debug() output is to use the logging levels, e.g.: System.debug(LoggingLevel.INFO, &#039;foo&#039;)
and set your filter for the APEX_CODE category to INFO.  The METHOD events get logged in the DEBUG level, which is one below INFO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, one workaround you can use if you just want to see the System.debug() output is to use the logging levels, e.g.: System.debug(LoggingLevel.INFO, &#8216;foo&#8217;)<br />
and set your filter for the APEX_CODE category to INFO.  The METHOD events get logged in the DEBUG level, which is one below INFO.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If Computers Could Barf &#8211; Salesforce Debug Log by Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rich

Being easy to parse is nice.... but since I am human, not a computer, I would say being easy to read takes priority for me.

I&#039;m guessing (hoping) now that it&#039;s easy to parse you will have some UI improvements that will make it easy to read.

I&#039;m glad to hear you can see, in it&#039;s current state, it is rough to use and improvements are on the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rich</p>
<p>Being easy to parse is nice&#8230;. but since I am human, not a computer, I would say being easy to read takes priority for me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing (hoping) now that it&#8217;s easy to parse you will have some UI improvements that will make it easy to read.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear you can see, in it&#8217;s current state, it is rough to use and improvements are on the way.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If Computers Could Barf &#8211; Salesforce Debug Log by Rich Unger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Unger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of the new logging format is to make it more easily parseable. The METHOD_ENTRY lines allow such a parser to trace where it is in the call stack.

What you see in this release is the first step on a longer road towards making the development experience with apex more enjoyable. There was a lot that had to be done on the back end before we could really do what we wanted with the interface.

Believe me, I know how rough this feature feels right now. Please stay tuned!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of the new logging format is to make it more easily parseable. The METHOD_ENTRY lines allow such a parser to trace where it is in the call stack.</p>
<p>What you see in this release is the first step on a longer road towards making the development experience with apex more enjoyable. There was a lot that had to be done on the back end before we could really do what we wanted with the interface.</p>
<p>Believe me, I know how rough this feature feels right now. Please stay tuned!</p>
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		<title>Comment on If Computers Could Barf &#8211; Salesforce Debug Log by Manu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 21:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What great timing for the post - I had the (mis)fortune of trying to debug code while deploying from a Win&#039;10 Sandbox to a Spring&#039;10 production org today that had a multitude of custom apps already on! The horror of the new logger struck me when it didn&#039;t point out which row of which function of which class was failing! if it wouldn&#039;t have been my own code, I&#039;m not sure how much time it&#039;d take to debug and fix it! Luckily, that wasn&#039;t so but it sure&#039;s going to take some time getting used to the new logging for sure! 

As usual, great post, Jason!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What great timing for the post &#8211; I had the (mis)fortune of trying to debug code while deploying from a Win&#8217;10 Sandbox to a Spring&#8217;10 production org today that had a multitude of custom apps already on! The horror of the new logger struck me when it didn&#8217;t point out which row of which function of which class was failing! if it wouldn&#8217;t have been my own code, I&#8217;m not sure how much time it&#8217;d take to debug and fix it! Luckily, that wasn&#8217;t so but it sure&#8217;s going to take some time getting used to the new logging for sure! </p>
<p>As usual, great post, Jason!</p>
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